Why I agreed to debate conservative podcaster Steven Crowder — and why it didn’t happen

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Why I agreed to debate conservative podcaster Steven Crowder — and why it didn’t happen
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Penn effectively shut down the event. We liberals talk a good game about our commitment to “challenging discussions.” But when a conversation might become truly challenging, we run the other way.

Penn effectively shut down the event. We liberals talk a good game about our commitment to “challenging discussions.” But when a conversation might become truly challenging, we run the other way. Jonathan Zimmerman had been scheduled to debate the conservative podcaster Steven Crowder Friday on the University of Pennsylvania's campus before officials effectively shut down the event.

calledThe first reason is that I’m an educator, and I think we need to speak across our differences in order to learn from each other. That’s also why The second reason is that I’m a Democrat, and I didn’t want to validate conservatives’ much-repeated claim that the liberal academy is afraid to talk to them. But now Penn has confirmed it, by effectively shutting down my debate with Crowder. And that makes me wonder if we want debate at all.let him livestream our debate , which is his standard practice. If our discussion was taped and distributed later, he said, critics could claim that it had been edited to favor one side or disfavor another. That’s why he insists on livestreaming everything he does.state that “livestreaming an event is not permitted except in limited circumstances where reaching a wide audience is appropriate” and approved by university officials. I thought it would be highly appropriate for our debate to reach a wide audience, instead of restricting it to Penn. And it would also be fully consistent with our duty touniversity officials said, because it might inspire a flash mob to descend on the university. It’s just as plausible that blocking the livestream would have done that, because the only way viewers could watch the debate would be to attend in person. We don’t know, which is precisely why we shouldn’t let the university determine who gets to speak and where.of its guidelines would prohibit speech that “targets individuals or groups” on the basis of race, religion, sexual orientation, and more. So would “From the river to the sea, Palestine must be free” — which some Jews hear as a That was a rallying cry of demonstrators at Penn and elsewhere after the Oct. 7, 2023 Hamas attack on Israel and the subsequent war in Gaza. Now nobody knows what is safe to say. No wonder there’s been," whatever that means. But the universities are at fault, too, for their craven capitulations to him. That starts with their new speech restrictions, at Penn and on otherAnd censorship is the enemy of education, in all times and places. Steven Crowder and I could have learned from each other, and we could have taught the audience something as well. I received dozens of messages from students in the days before our scheduled debate, telling me how excited they were to see me go toe-to-toe with Crowder.They’re disappointed now. And we taught them a different kind of lesson: that some speech is too dangerous for them to hear. Meanwhile, we also gave Crowder another convenient weapon for owning the libs. As soon as Penn said he couldn’t livestream, he. “It’d be interesting to see if he’s willing to stand up to his school administration for free speech.” So here is my statement: Penn is a storied institution, but it has lost the plot on open expression. And it is playing right into the hands of people like Crowder, who say we’re too scared to engage them. I’ll be happy to debate Steven Crowder, anywhere he chooses. It won’t be at my own university, but that will be Penn’s loss. And you can be sure of one thing: It will be livestreamed. I hope you’ll tune 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