Ukraine was ‘sea change' for spies – GCHQ head

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Sir Jeremy Fleming interviews head of US intelligence agency as guest editor of Radio 4's Today programme.

The Ukraine conflict has led to a sea change for intelligence agencies, the head of GCHQ Sir Jeremy Fleming has said.

She was interviewed by Sir Jeremy as part of his role as a guest editor of Radio 4's Today programme. As Director of National Intelligence, Ms Haines co-ordinates all America's spy agencies and she played a pivotal role in pushing for sensitive intelligence to be declassified and published in the run up to Russia's February invasion. This unusual step was designed to deter Russia and counter its claims it was acting defensively.

"Authoritarian states have this kind of asymmetric advantage where they're effectively controlling the information to their populations," Ms Haines said. She added that Russia also tried to take advantage of the open information flow in western societies to promote their narratives and exacerbate divisions in society.

"One of their main narratives is the United States is provoking this conflict, and that Nato and Ukraine are setting the conditions and threatening Russia and that sort of forced them into this position."

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