The following is a transcript of an interview with Sens. Mark Warner, Democrat of Virginia, and Marco Rubio, Republican of Florida, that aired on March 10, 2024.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Thank you for doing this--SENATOR MARCO RUBIO : Thank you.MARGARET BRENNAN: --and for speaking in the bipartisan way you're sitting down with us today.
Huh? MARGARET BRENNAN: Do you believe that those 2500 troops in the region should saySEN. I think in terms of current basis, yes. Because as long as we've got these Iranian backed militias, and others, promoting a level of violence, and I agree with Marco in terms of trying to push us out, but I also think, potentially out of this enormous tragedy, the tragedy of October 7, and now the humanitarian tragedy of 30,000, Palestinians killed. You gotta look at some level of optimism- Israel had already aligned with a number of the Sunni states in the region.
I- I think the- the food and water and other relief aid I think it is- you've got to make sure you have a distribution system. But I think I agree with Ambassador Satterfield. But let's also step back for a moment. And I think a lot of the arms, food, other things that have supported Hamas was the fact that they have this tunnel network, which is close to 500 kilometers. I don't think we- any of us fully expected that. And they have been able secure that.
Well, all of it is--MARGARET BRENNAN: In terms of fomenting, within the region--SEN. Well, first of all, remember, the FBI, as of about six months ago, were still opening two counter-espionage cases a day against China.
--and they're supported by government so they can underprice everyone in the marketplace. So they can reach a level of proficiency in AI and deploy it with the support of their government that allows them to basically corner the market in all kinds of key things, autonomous vehicles, additive manufacturing, you name it. And so these are real advantages.
We may not need new laws, we have existing SEC laws. But there might be higher penalties, for example, because the speed and scale which these AI tools could be used for manipulation, I think that's not breaking new ground. But it is saying our regulatory structure needs to try to keep up and we're always going to be lagging innovation. But that doesn't mean throw in the towel.SEN.
I did. But not- but the proposal they put forward would not have secured our border, on the contrary, it would have allowed-- MARGARET BRENNAN: But you voted against the border deal that--SEN. Because the deal wouldn't- the deal would not have fixed the problem. The way you fix the problem is by reversing the executive orders that President Biden put in place in his first month in office, which directly led to this crisis. For the first time in American history, we have a president that's decided to make the exception the rule. No longer detaining people- our law is very clear, it defines who is allowed to be in our country, and it says they should be detained through removal.
--Oh no, it's not very complicated--MARGARET BRENNAN: --Funds--SEN. Let's vote for it. Let's put up a bill of votes on Taiwan.MARGARET BRENNAN: You're saying it has to be a standalone--SEN. --Well let's do the funding for that--MARGARET BRENNAN: --and all the other agencies--SEN. The border is a mess.MARGARET BRENNAN: Yeah.SEN.
--Ukraine needs more soldiers. No matter how patriotic you are as a Ukrainian, the idea that you would go into the military when you get issued 20 bullets a day when you're being outshelled 10 to one, when the Ukrainians have performed much better than any of us hoped, when we brought Sweden and Norway into NATO, and if--MARGARET BRENNAN: --Finland. SEN.
--But we have 7.2 million- I responded very simple and that is--MARGARET BRENNAN: --No but in the art of the possible as- asSEN. What we're doing around the world--MARGARET BRENNAN: --Tomorrow said, oh, I'm going to put in an emergency action to, you know--SEN. No different than the people that are linking Israel aid to Ukraine. Because they won't vote for a standalone Israel bill. They want unless we do Ukraine, and I'm saying I won't do Ukraine, unless we secure America's border.MARGARET BRENNAN: Okay, so you are linking them?SEN.
I wrote it, I can't speak for Senator Kaine. I wrote it with the belief that it's an important alliance. If NATO didn't exist, we would have to create it. It's one of our strategic strengths that we have in the world, because China doesn't have these alliances, for example, and neither do the Russians for that matter, or the Iranians for that matter. But I believe Congress needs to play a role in deciding whether we're going to remove ourselves from that.
We- we have been monitoring this for years. The idea of a nuclear weapon in space, which would go against all previous treaties, could that have enormously destructive effects? Absolutely. Matter of fact, you know, were Russia to detonate a nuclear weapon in space, it doesn't discriminate between American satellites and Russian satellites, or for that matter, Chinese satellites.
We- we have differentâMARGARET BRENNAN: But, the Biden campaign joined TikTok, Senator Warner.SEN. Listen, I think there's- I think there's a lot of creativity on TikTok. And I think if they had to disgorge as long as the algorithm moved, if this was a Brazilian company or French company or Canadian company, it wouldn't cause me near the consternation.SEN.
Well we have nation states, China, Iran, Russia, who know that interfering in our elections is both effective and cheap. We have a lot more Americans who have, for a variety of reasons, less trust in any of our institutions, including our voting system. We have a court case that was in the Fifth Circuit that had restricted the voluntary communication between social media and the FBI or CISA, and you have that cauldron of change going on.
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