The National Want Their Taylor Swift Duet Played ‘in Context’

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The National Want Their Taylor Swift Duet Played ‘in Context’
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In “The Alcott,” she “inhabits this story as her own character,” says Aaron Dessner.

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We hadn’t even talked about inviting her to be on the record, partially because no one was on the record at that point and, also, I never want to put pressure on anybody unless it really makes sense. But there was something about that song I thought she’d really respond to. She quickly rewrote it as this conversation or dialogue between two lovers. That helped shape where we went with the production of it. We added a lot of the other elements — the orchestration and the drums.

There’s a clarity in her ideation and her lyricism and her sense of melody. It cuts like a knife. Compositionally, it’s very intentional. Her countermelodies in the chorus and the bridge — it’s like two lovers almost talking over each other. It’s something that’s much bolder than someone singing along or just harmonizing. That is her gift: She has a storyteller’s mind and a musical sense of boldness.

I wouldn’t say I was more nervous. It does feel like the National is this dysfunctional band of brothers, and I feel like my and Taylor’s work has been much more focused. Big Red Machine is not a typical band dynamic. But in another way, the whole reason I know Taylor is the National and her being a fan. It felt very natural. I think we’re one of her favorite bands, and she has inspired us.

That’s, to me, how it feels. All the DNA of the band, and some future version of it, the evolution of it — it’s in there. People always debate our records. No matter what, we have collections of ugly ducklings. We’re never going to write a perfect rock song. We’re never going to do the thing we set out to do. All we can do is this uncovering of these awkward songs. They grow on us and grow on other people. It takes a while to hear them, and that’s what makes them special.

I’m personally tired of that feeling, indie or alternative — it doesn’t mean anything anymore. A lot of my favorite music is on giant labels. Some indie labels operate like major labels now. It’s a blurry thing. If someone’s making something authentic and is an amazing artist, I would appreciate and collaborate with them regardless of genre walls. I know certain parts of our fan base will maybe … it’s the same thing as our records: It’s never going to be what everybody wants.

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