“Every episode, there’s some moment where I go, I didn’t think about that. I didn’t see that. It catches me off guard.”
. But no role has garnered quite the same attention as Joel Miller, the protagonist ofWith “When We Are in Need,” this week’s episode of the HBO series adapted from the video game by Craig Mazin and Neil Druckmann, Baker had the opportunity to play a guest role as James, trusty lieutenant to the leader of a cannibalistic cult. James has his private skepticism about the faith that David uses to subjugate and control his small group of followers.
When you were working on the games, you were mainly playing off Ashley Johnson, who played Ellie. What is it like seeing that same character portrayed by Bella Ramsey, with whom you share scenes in the show? No, he’s just a pragmatist. David is smart — smart enough to be able to go, “Aw, shucks, I guess they just chose me!” and elevate himself to a position of tyrannical oppressor using religion and, more specifically, hope. He weaponizes that in order to assume control of people. James recognizes that within David; he knows David doesn’t believe in this. David says, “I found God after the apocalypse, which is either the best time or the worst time to find him.
When he says that maybe leaving Ellie is God’s will, that’s him trying to use David’s position against him. He says, “The girl is just another mouth to feed.” Those are two different arguments that are serving the same purpose, which is, Even if some part of David thinks that what he’s saying is genuine, it’s clear that a lot of his beliefs are meant to justify the awful things he does. He can square his faith with cannibalism and with these pedophilic impulses that come out later in the episode. He’s clearly using his religion as a tool.
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