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Listen to Buckeye Talk, your favorite Ohio State football podcast, five days a week with Stephen Means, Stefan Krajisnik and Andrew Gillis.The offense was great, but the defense had its least impressive game since probably the 2023 Michigan loss. That led to an interesting tone from the two on a Tuesday press conference heading into Big Ten play.
Read the automated transcript of today’s podcast below. Because it’s a computer-generated transcript, it may contain errors and misspellings.Welcome back to Buckeye Talk. I’m Stephen Means. That’s the fuck crash. And that’s Andrew Gillis. talked with Ryan Day, defensive coordinator Jim Knowles and quarterback Will Howard as Ohio State prepares for its big 10 opener against West Michigan State. They play to me Michigan’s Michigan State on Saturday. They get all these lead ups in the Michigan.
If we’re going to sit like we talk about this right as players, like is individual players. We’ve, we’ve talked about it with Jelani Thurman where, you know, Ohio state will or Ryan Day or Keenan Bailey or someone will say, we need, we need Jelani. We really need Jelani Thurman or they’ll say it with Tegra Shibola or they’ll say it with somebody. I think today was kind of that just, but for the defensive line.
When’s he gonna show up? When’s he gonna be a guy? And it felt like it kinda clicked on Saturday. So it was a little bit more complimentary of him. But I think it was also just as much about like calling out Caden McDonald and Hiro Kanu and Jason Moore and Will Smith. He got asked about Caden McDonald directly. And while it was like, yeah, I’ll have these moments where he’s just like, awesome. And he’s flashing and making plays. It’s not consistent. Consistency was the key word of the day.
wasn’t expecting that. I think they were expecting something a little bit better, Stefan, from that unit. And that didn’t happen. And I felt like the tone and the messaging of Tuesday very much signified that.I think it’s one thing to say, Hey, we want Jelani to kind of take that next step because we feel he’s good.
We’re not three step, four stop, five step dropping, waiting and surveying the field and letting Jack Sawyer and JT Twiemolo out due to our quarterback, what they did to Western Michigan and Akron’s quarterback. So that’s part of that. But also Oregon might play the same way.
We just allowed two touchdowns to Marshall and we’re about to start Big 10 play and we did not look good against Marshall. Wake up like snap into it. This might have been it. And and I think that that’s probably the message this week, right? Like you can’t think you’re too good to go, you know, stay in your gap and do your assignment. You can’t go play hero ball.
Cause I would have agreed with you on Saturday, Andrew. And then Jim Knowles came out and said, both of you are wrong, Steven and Andrew. There is no moral victories. No. No.
They’ll find something out of this. Like I know Tye Leak is down right now, but you have Tye Leak and Tye, and then you’ve got Hiro Kanu, Jason Moore, Tywon Malone, Cade McDonald, Will Smith. You’ll find a two deep out of that. then guys that maybe you can work along a little bit, you you’ll find like, maybe I’m just relying on that too much, but I think it’s, yeah.What’s the dis I’m asking what the dick because this isn’t about what we think it’s about what they saidRight. Of course.
or just a hiccup in the road. I feel like Jim knows talk today, like it’s something they need to get fixed. Not because it’s a bump in the road, but because if it doesn’t get fixed, it will be a lingering thing. That’s now the information I’m going to operate off of, not my assumptions based on fall camp when they hadn’t played any games.agree with you. I was saying that when we get to November, I think we’re going look back and we’re going to be like, that Marshall game was more of a fluke.
Austin Cieravelle’s rotating at right guard with Tegra Shibola. Fine, that can be on the table, but I’m not going to put that on the table simply because back in the fall or back in April, they said, we like where our depth is headed because now they’ve seen it actually play football. And so this is where Jim Knowles is with it today. I’m struggling over words right now. This is where Jim Knowles stands today. It was not good enough.
I wonder if Arvel is the Mike linebacker and Cody’s the will when they go three linebackers in those situations because of that concept.Well, I think that might be an Iowa conversation. think we could have a big Arville Reese conversation maybe next week. You know, cause yeah, right.
Apparently that’s just what they do. Does the vertical passing threat need to be a consistent part of this offense? And we did a video on this, so I’m gonna refine it a little bit, because I think threat and consistent part of this offense are two very different things. Threat is about whether or not a defensive coordinator believes in your ability to do it.
that that offense gets off the field as long as possible. And those plays on the back end are kind of how you do that, right? You, you know, if you think you can handle jump balls, if you don’t think Will Howard can throw the ball effectively down the field, then that’s probably what you want to bait Ohio State into. But I still think you need to have it as part of the offense. can’t just ignore it and you need to do it a few times a game.
Outlier for the rest of the list, by the way, he’s an outlier. Deshaun Watson, 9 .2. Jalen Hurts, 9 .2. Trevor Lawrence, 9 .4. Joe Borough, 9 .6. Mac Jones was at 8 .8 in 2020. And they literally did dink and dunk up the field in 2020. 2020 is so weird. It’s so weird because it’s a COVID year, but they it. They dink and dunk. I saw it live. They dink and dunk. Ohio stayed up the field with Steve Sarkeesian. Stetson Bennett, 10 .3 in 2021.
Or are we gonna go, hey, Will Howard, way to make the right decision and not force the ball down the field. And Emeka, good on you because you have 75 yards after the catch on two catches so far.Yeah. So let me start with what you were saying there about the two safeties. I struggle to think that nobody’s going to try to do something different.
Michigan took a 10 yard hitch and went 70 yards because a Mecca buka took a tunnel screen that Probably should have went for like seven eight nine ten eleven yards and he went 68 yards with it and so all of will’s numbers are out of whack right nowWell, and the touchdown that was overturned and then the defensive pass interference, think Tomekko were both 20 plus yards. So isn’t like that adds to it as well. But like that is is threat like a defensive pass interference.
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