The filmmaker Matt Reeves joined English actor Andy Serkis to talk mythic pop, famous gangsters, and 'The Penguin.'
. The series follows the ascent of Oz Cobb, a mid-level mobster known as the Penguin, as he transforms into the kingpin of Gotham City. “Batman comes out at night, but Oz is noir during the day,” Reeves told fellow filmmaker Andy Serkis on Zoom last week., of course, isn’t Reeves’ first foray into the Batman universe; he previously directed 2022’s, starring Robert Pattinson.
When she says, “I don’t want your money, Oz,” that really wounds him. It’s this moment where you think, his life is one of being rejected and part of his ambition is driven by seeking some acceptance. Then he says, “I know nobody sees it, but one day this city’s going to be mine.” Colin did this thing. It was very dark in a great way that let you know that there was a lot more there.
SERKIS: And it’s such a beautiful character in the sense that there’s real tragedy about him and his relationship with his mother. He wants to be something that he isn’t quite yet. You really feel for him and you want to hate him, but you just can’t. SERKIS: What about how Gotham is portrayed? Do you see that as a reflection of the world that we live in, or heightened? To me, it feels so spot on, but with a slightly elevated allegorical feel to it.
REEVES: I would say that it’s very unflinching. That’s one of the things too, about being on HBO. It’s interesting because in a Batman movie, there are resources that are tremendous, so we’re able to do quite grand things, but we are handcuffed in other ways. When we were dealing with the ratings board, they were like, “You got to pull that back and this back.” But with HBO, those handcuffs were removed. It gave us the ability to be really character-forward.
REEVES: Again, kudos to Mike Marino. When you see his foot, that was one of those things too that Lauren wrote in the script. Then when Mike made that foot, we were like, “Wow.” Those details were so telling. The idea that he lived silently with that pain every day, and he was obviously scarred emotionally and psychically, but even physically. That’s one of the things that I loved in the story Lauren was pitching. Like when he loses control and kills Alberto in the first 10 minutes of the show.
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