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We’re on a Zoom call. He is in Los Angeles on a seven-hour layover from Sao Paulo to Australia. The sky there is a Capri kind of blue and McCraven is wiping the sweat from his brow as he is walking next to the beach.

“We’ve already taken three flights. And I was either like, hang out in the lounge for seven hours or … The decision was simple.”“I was in Sao Paulo. When it turned midnight, we went out to see some Brazilian music and have some caipirinha. And then the next day we played a concert and it was a really special birthday for me.McCraven and his band are on a five-week-long world tour, including the global south.to thank. There was a gap between the Australian dates and going to Europe.

McCraven junior is part of a progressive movement of bold musicians who believe that borders are there to be crossed and genres to be bent.On his website, the music critic and Chicago radio host Ayana Contreras writes: “McCraven believes that the word ‘jazz’ is ‘insufficient, at best, to describe the phenomenon we’re dealing with’.

“I think drummers make really good band leaders,” he says. “There are certain challenges to lead a band from the drum chair but there’s certain advantages as well.”“With my band, in some ways, that has made me want to not feel like I’m taking centre stage so much but rather that I am like a captain of a team. I have all these musicians that I can rely on and bring together … and for it not to be like the ‘me’ show but it’d be about my music and let the music speak.

“Because, even where we fit and sit in society, and how we’re involved, is very much outside of the normal populace — we stratify class in certain ways that I think a lot of people don’t …” “Thank you. I mean, with this record I wanted to make something…” He trails off. “It has a lot of strings and flowing sounds but there’s a lot of darkness. We did want to make something beautiful in a time that felt so difficult.

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