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News24OTR | Speaking passionately about state failure, Mavuso says SA needs more private-sector participation. She says the government has proven it cannot run SOEs. 'South Africa is failing at the basics because we are failing at administration.”

Steenhuisen says they have to deal with realpolitik - they're not going to change anything with the ANC/EFF in power. He agrees with Maimane that they need to appeal to ANC voters with compelling ideas.1h ago

Maimane says voters want an alternative because they have lived for 70 years with nationalism - first Afrikaner nationalism, then African nationalism. He says if the coalition is only about removing the ANC/EFF, it will alienate the voters who must be part of the democracy.Zibi says a coalition is almost a given and challenges Steenhuisen and the others to have respect for the voters and political system to present a plan.

Zibi questions the productivity of the exchange between Mashaba and Steenhuisen after being asked why he turned up his nose on the"Moonshot pact"."This is the squabbling we need to move past. This is the runway we need to really have these discussions. This is a matter that is under discussion. It is a live conversation, and nothing is off the table. Let's use the next 12-15 months to have these conversations," Steenhuisen says.

He says Steenhuisen can explain better why they didn't want the PA. Mashaba says the PA left because of the way they were treated. Steenhuisen says there is no point going into government with people who are going to do exactly what you want to remove.He says this is exactly the type of squabbles they need to sort out.Steenhuisen agrees with Maimane that this is a pivotal point in the country's history.

"I think, to the opportunity, even if you kept the same driver, the destiny has so significantly changed for the country. Sure, all things are broken, but this is the most profound moment."Maimane says this is the most profound time for a reset for the country for the next 30 years.Maimane says South Africa's situation isn't unique globally. He says that requires significant change.Zibi says they move from a place of deep patriotism. They have chosen to make a difference.

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