'By the way, I did not sleep with your ex-husband,' Joan Baez told Jane Fonda when the two got together on Zoom last week.
earlier this month, she opened with a confession. In her twenties, Fonda told Baez, “I was totally obsessed with you.” In the summer of 1967, while Fonda was filmingin Rome, Baez strolled into the house Fonda and her then husband Roger Vadim were renting. “I was making gazpacho and you came in,” the actor recalls. “I was just gobsmacked.” Baez, the ethereal singer-songwriter and unflinching peace activist, has this effect on many people.
BAEZ: When I was about 13, in spite of all the shyness, I was outspoken, and that’s how I managed to get attention one way or another.BAEZ: In some ways, I am. Probably not anymore, but certainly back when I was little. I was always the outside girl moving to a new town, and brown-skinned.BAEZ: I didn’t know what it was called, I just knew that I was not accepted in the world of Mexican kids and, at the same time, I wasn’t accepted in the white world because I was too brown.
FONDA: You say in the documentary that you stepped into the civil rights movement of nonviolent action and you knew that was where you belonged. Music alone was never enough for you, right? You always had to have your voice at the service of causes greater than you. FONDA: God. I just remembered, I stayed in Hanoi in 1972 in the same hotel that you had stayed in previously. The first night I was there, there was an air raid because the war was still going on. They took me down to this bomb shelter in the basement, and then they told me, “When Joan Baez was in the bomb shelter, she sang for us.”FONDA: I was so jealous. I mean, to have a voice like yours, you don’t have to carry anything around. It’s just your gift that you could bring everywhere you go.
FONDA: It absolutely blew my mind. She must’ve been 14 or 15, something like that. Did you learn a lot while you were there? FONDA: I showed it to my assistant, because she adores you, and she thinks it’s the best documentary she’s ever seen. I said, “Did you get the sense at the end that she is in the best place she’s ever been, that she has recovered from all this?” And she said, “Absolutely.”FONDA: I wasn’t sure. For me, there was still a great sadness present, but there can be two things at once.
FONDA: Greta Thunberg said, “Everybody goes looking for hope, but don’t look for hope. Look for action, and hope will come.” Don’t you find that’s true?FONDA: It’s a muscle, like the heart. Optimism is “everything is going to be fine,” but you don’t do anything to make it so. Hope is a. Hope is when you’re trying to make it so, and you’re with other people who are doing the same thing.FONDA: We all do, and we also all have to understand that feeling depressed right now is a sign that you care.
BAEZ: Well, it boils down a lot of times to sexual. I skittered around it to the point where I couldn’t have a lasting relationship. So, in a way, you have to exclude the intimacy from the sexuality, because the intimacy means you care about the person, you’ll share in a way that I was unable to share. I needed to control the situation and I was incapable of having a really equal intimacy with somebody.
BAEZ: The joke is that when I was finished with the bulk of this work, looking peaceful and able to do things I couldn’t do, like sleeping through the night, I got the right meds figured out, I had no desire to take the next step. I always figured if somebody crossed my path that it would be worth trying. But I think my blinders are really careful. I must have passed by a lot of people, and I’m just not willing, throughout my otherwise quite happy life, to do that kind of work.
BAEZ: I wouldn’t let that out, because I was so shocked by that. Anyway, under the bridge. Move on. Oh, I have a question for you. When you say you folded up shop or, I call it zipping myself up, do you still feel like a sexual individual, and desirable?
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