Some of her testimony to the Jan. 6 committee, given under oath, was based on firsthand knowledge; other details were relayed secondhand.
But Hutchinson’s testimony went much further. Relaying information she claimed to have been given by Ornato, Hutchinson said Trump “grabbed at” the steering wheel of the Suburban sport utility vehicle in which he was being transported back to the West Wing after his speech at the Ellipse and then lunged toward Robert Engel, the Secret Service special agent in charge on Jan. 6. “When Mr.
This testimony is based on Hutchinson’s recollections of comments made by Meadows summarizing Trump’s thinking. She did say she personally overheard discussion of the chant about Pence as she handed Meadows a phone in the doorway of the Oval Office dining room, buttressing her account of the theme of the conversation, though not of the president’s specific remarks.
Hutchinson also described attempts to get Trump to call off his supporters later that day. The committee displayed a handwritten note that Hutchinson said she wrote Jan. 6 “at the direction” of Meadows. She said Meadows dictated the note to her following a meeting with Herschmann and a possibly another lawyer on the afternoon of Jan. 6. The note included the phrases “illegally” and “without legal authority” — language apparently under consideration for a presidential address.
She was not asked to elaborate and gave no other details about when or how she learned of these requests. Giuliani disputed her account, claiming Tuesday in a now-deleted tweet that Hutchinson was “never present when I asked for a pardon. Actually, I told the president I did not want or need one.” In perhaps the most vivid scene recounted by Hutchinson, Trump is said to have flown into a rage when he saw that his attorney general at the time, William P. Barr, had given an interview Dec. 1, 2020, saying the Justice Department had seen no evidence of systematic voter fraud.
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