From our Summer 2024 issue, Gracie Abrams called her friend Kaia Gerber to talk about unrequited crushes, exposure therapy, and spinning out.
FRIDAY 1:30 PM MAY 3, 2024 NYCABRAMS: Are you going to do the slumber party on Sunday?GERBER: Okay. I have lots of questions for you. I basically rewrote the whole interview. There were questions on there that I wouldn’t want to be asked, so I decided not to put you through that either.GERBER: Let’s fucking rock. I also just watched your music video.ABRAMS: Yeah. Also, are we starting? Should we start?ABRAMS: Oh, we’re starting. Okay, great.
GERBER: Yeah. How do you separate the intimacy of the writing process from the exposing nature of performing?, I felt like I was constantly saying, “I can’t put this out.”—I felt like we were Tasmanian devils, me and Audrey . When we were writing a lot of these songs, we were tearing things apart metaphorically, and blowing up the crushes and bitterness we were feeling.
ABRAMS: It’s tough. It’s a one-sided narrative, and the subject is rendered defenseless to a degree. I’ve not been mature or kind in the past around releasing things that people I know personally might hear. You want to feel like you aren’t censoring yourself, but there’s a decent way to do it. So now I have conversations with people ahead of putting things out into the world. I’m just, like, “Here’s how I felt about you.” It’s exposing and it’s shitty sometimes.ABRAMS: Maybe.
GERBER: I’ve always been drawn towards a lack of perspective in writing, or contradiction, because it feels very private and exposing to let someone in on those doubts. ABRAMS: This whole album I had a big crush. I felt like it was unrequited. It was embarrassingly the first time in my life I ever had that feeling. It spun me out. I was like, “What the fuck is going on? I don’t know myself. I’m awkward everywhere. How do I function?” It made me nuts for a minute. And I’m so happy that I have this album to hold on the other side of that funny whirlwind.
ABRAMS: Totally. I remember her talking about the relief that she felt not having to write every detail about her personal life around the time when she released. If you’re a storyteller, whether you’re referencing your own life or somebody else’s, hopefully you can cut through.
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