But Sen. Chris Coons thinks the president was right to do it anyway.
The Delaware Democrat occupies the Senate seat that Biden once held, co-chairs Biden’s reelection campaign and is widely believed to be on the short list for a cabinet post if there’s a second Biden administration. Coons is also one of Biden’s top foreign policy advisers, and he just returned from official visits to Taiwan, the Philippines and Singapore.
This conversation has been edited for length and clarity by Deep Dive senior producer Alex Keeney. You can listen to the full Playbook Deep Dive podcast interview here: To be clear, I think the core question isn’t whether Donald Trump or Joe Biden occasionally mistakes, you know, who’s the current president of France or who’s the current speaker of the House. Frankly, I think a lot of us who serve in public office and do interviews all the time and travel regularly and have 14-hour days make similar slips.
Speaking of Trump, there has been an outcry from the right this week about Donald Trump’s trial and that it was unfair, rigged, a kangaroo court, etc. Do you think the trial was fair and that the outcome was legitimate? What you don’t hear from Joe Biden is any attack on the judge, any attack on the prosecutor, any attack on the process by which his son is currently in federal court; any suggestion that he would misuse the presidential pardon power; any suggestion that his supporters should riot in the streets over it. Donald Trump, on the other hand, has done all of those things, and the difference reveals the difference in their commitment to the rule of law.
Look, I’m going to stay away from commenting on a prosecution where, as you put it, I know all of the players. I strongly doubt that the defendant would be in court if he were not the son of the president, but it is a chargeable offense. And so I’m just going to respect the decision of the prosecutor in the process and leave it there.
One question on the Senate. There are 10 Republican senators who have joined together and basically proposed a blockade of all Biden non-military nominees and a non-military funding. What impact do you think that will have this year? Well, I think the politics are clear: President Biden has asked in every State of the Union for Congress to take up and act on legislation that would address border security and stability, that would provide for legal pathways for immigration, that would deal with a badly broken immigration and refugee system. Former President Trump tried over and over to use executive orders to significantly change our asylum law and practices and refugee programs.
Interesting. It sounds like what you’re saying is he knows the courts are going to strike this down, but he has to do it just to show Congress and the American people that he’s trying everything, including what Republicans have told him he should do. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu gives statements to the media inside The Kirya, which houses the Israeli Defence Ministry, after their meeting in Tel Aviv on Oct. 12, 2023. | Jacquelyn Martin/AFP via Getty Images
I think it has to be done in tandem. The details of what a U.S. security guarantee for the Saudis would look like have been worked out. But for a significant number of us in the Senate, our willingness to provide this guarantee to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is because it is also a path towards security and stability for Israel against Iran in an unstable and dangerous region, and a path towards Palestinian self-governance.
If next year China tried to take control of Taiwan, what would the difference in response be in a Biden administration versus a Trump administration?
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